ATTENTION ALL WHO ARE BUYING OUR VARIATION!

[daniosgal]

OK I understand you guys want the variation but on behalf of Drmchaser and myself we ask that there is NO over breeding ONLY TO REPLACE! It took a long time to come up with this variation of horse and we would appreciate it very much if we could keep the numbers low. We will be checking in with all those who bought them and see if there is any over breeding going on. This has happened to myself before and to others so please respect our wishes and DO NOT OVERBREED! Sorry to sound so mean about this but this means the WORLD to me. Thanks so much. I hope we can all still be friends

[Fawn]

Whats your variation? I'm assuming you mean purchase with tokens because I would think any animals purchased from you via private sale would be sold sterile or personally messaged and not publicly on the forums...

And this is just my opinion but...If a player purchases any pre-made breed with the tokens that they in turn purchased with their own real money should have to right to do what they want with it. If they do overbreed, than they've made their own bed and now they can sleep in it. Its called a ruined reputation. If this breed means the world to you and you are very concerned about what happens to it once it reaches public hands, you should have made it an AE. Thats what AE's are for. Thats why they cost so much, it says right there when you go to make a new breed. You also receive a portion of what they paid in tokens when they purchase your breed. This should account for something.

[Drmchaser]

I just don't think it is fair that a brand new horse is created but players just go and buy them from Orbis, instead of getting them from the people that created it first.

[mash]

Hmm I recall that happening to me Drm. To my Descendent of Black Beauty's.

It's just a good job that I DID keep tabs on the variation eh?

[Tiger_lily]

the problem is that there are a few of us who want WHOLE animals so yes we can breed them, but not for profit. it is nice though when you can sell off one or two to GOOD people who dont have the money to buy them with tokens or are able to jump through hoops the creater set up for them to get one.

i have seen too many endangered breeds of horse being hogged, YES hogged by the creaters. i understand that you can be mad if i overbreed them or ruin the breed in any other way. but i am sick of creaters harassing me because i have bought their breed from orbits and have tried to trade them.

i understand the creaters should get a shot at making money off the animals first but when your foundation pair is OVER 17 years old and you have yet to release them to the public, you have no leg to stand on.

something most players seem to forget is if there are even 100 animals of a certain breed compared to the 43348 member that is not the much. though yes i like to keep numbers down too, but understand that there is a demand on the animals and if you are not at least will to try to meet it with contracts then someone else will who might not be so caring (not talking about myself).

[Fawn]

[Kholran]

Unless you make the variation/colour AE, the players that purchase your breed using their own tokens are permitted to do with it what they want. Yes, it sucks. Yes, I've had my Endangered variations bred into worthlessness by one or two players. Yes, I consider that very rude. But I can't do anything about it, and constantly messaging someone to stop IS considered harassment. I have asked these few players once kindly to stop. They have chosen not to, and in fact bred even MORE of my variation. Such is life. I no longer make Endangered variations. I simply save up until I can make new animals AE.

[Drmchaser]

Yeah, well from now on any future creations I make are going to be AE.

[A. L. Aljan]

I second that, Drm. From now on, it's going to be AE all the way for me, especially with HORSES. In fact, I've got several AE's that I won't let out at ALL. PERIOD.

People can justify their reasoning any way they want - most people filter facts to fit their agendas, anyhow - but the truth of the matter is that it's rude to step on others' toes, especially when you don't even bother to ask the variation's/color's creator about it, to sidestep and breed for profit or trading benefits before the CREATOR even has a chance. The creator originally spent 4 times as much as anyone else did by acquiring them with tokens.

Personally, I like to at least see the foundation pair retire before I let something out to a larger audience than a VERY select few, trusted people (that list seems to dwindle all of the time, too). It's a shame that, now that there's such lack of respect on SBF, I have to spend $10.00 EVERY time I create something just to keep it out of the grabby little mitts of the many selfish people out there... and then I have to spend even more to re-color it.

Many of the animals I create here have very personal meaning to me. My Himalayans commemorated my first rescued cat that died of renal failure at 20 years old. Luckily, they're not as overbred as they were, but they still suffered, so I had to create the Rainbow Bridge Spirit Cat species and my AE variation. They will NEVER be released from my farm. My first Weimaraners were created to commemorate Steele, the puppy I lost to a congenital heart degenerative disease when he was 7.5 months old. They, too, were overbred, so I had to create Rainbow Bridge Spirit Dogs with the AE Weim. They will also never be released. I learned from my mistakes when I created Legend Cats, as my favorite foster cat was a Pixie-Bob, which had already been created. It is AE, and very few people will ever have one. I created many breeds and colors, such as the Silver Classic Torbie cat color for the British Shorthair in honor of my beloved Faith that I had to give back to her foster organization after I went through a divorce. These creations mean more to me than they EVER will anyone else, and when I see them being bartered and traded like they are nothing more than pixels, then yes... it stings. It's not about the playcash or even the game with things like this - it's about having a reminder of a lost loved one.

It's sad that every time I see that someone has purchased my creations with tokens, I have a little heart attack, especially if it were meant to honor a lost "child" of mine. A lot of people like to ignore this possibility when they sidestep the honorable ways of obtaining others' creations, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen any time someone does so.

Justify it as you will, you either respect others' creations or you don't, and if you're benefitting from someone else's work before THEY are, then clearly, you DON'T.


~ Amanda @ Aljan
PS How do you "hog" your OWN creations? Sounds to me like the greedy pigs are the ones that try to gain profit any way they can, regardless of the affront it causes others.

[Drmchaser]

Very well said Amanda.

[odinsdottir]

I've pondered and paused, taken a deep breath and thought some more. This issue raises its head so often im tired of it, but I wanted to say something meaningful on the topic. Why is respect for the creativity of others so hard for people to understand? Why must it become a conflict between the haves (who paid real money to create the varieties) and the have nots (who have proven they only care who made it when it is their OWN creation)? Why can't people understand that respect breeds respect and disrespect begets distrust?

I've made so many varieties now that even I no longer have them all. Is it unfair of me to dislike seeing my shagyas, for instance, almost more common than the game made lower rarity horses? No it isn't. THEY were my first horse breed, and I made them with joy and delight, but never did I think they'd be so NUMEROUS.

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[Vitani]

I'm not going to give my two cents on the matter because its pretty much been said for me...

I saw it happen with almost all of my creations. I managed to buy back a few of the overbreeds to release, but its a drop in the bucket. I can't afford A/E all the time, and take a risk every time I make something....I hate that

Where ever I can, I buy direct from creator. Whenever I can't, I'm very selective about who I buy/breed from. Blacklisted players get no second chances from me, wether it was my breed or someone elses they've bred to death...

But at the end of the day...Theres always going to be someone that ruins it for the rest of us

[Tiger_lily]

i understand where everyone is coming from.

i have created a few breeds mind you all of them have been AE, but we are not talking about AE animals here. we are talking about endangered ones, which can be bought with tokens by other players.

i have tried to respect others wishes but i too have spent alot of time and real money on my animals. i understand many others dont give a care when it comes to making a quick buck or two, but i am not like that. i would however like to be able to share my animals with my FRiENDS, who dont overbreed.

i do try and give the creaters a chance to profit off their creation since yes you made if for a reason, i even try to purchase them when they are being sold. but my problem is when i am contacted by the creator who mind you has had plenty of time to profit off the animal and they tell me, i CANT trade any of their breeds or colors because they have YET to release them to the public. i hardly breed or trade my animals without VERY good reasons and i always release unwanted ones, NOT sell but release. i have animals going on 10yrs which is about 6 months old real time, that i have yet to breed.

all said and done there needs to be a balance, because this will only get worse as more players come and go.

one last point SBF is a game about COLLECTING, which is done by buy, selling and trading either from OTHER PLAYERS or ORBITS.

[Fawn]

[mash]

Ok I think that this thread is going to cause more problems than is nesscesary.

I think all creators have been scolded at one time or another, and hopefully all have learnt from their mistakes.

I don't think it'll help ANY situation if this turns into a slagging match. So I suggest that people just STOP NOW before it goes too far.

Unfortunatly you CANNOT stop people overbreeding your animals, you can ask, and if the player is decent then you should be given the option of purchasing that animal back, but lets face it, not many would do that.

Please guys, lets not turn against eahc other, my advice to the creators of this thread, is to be very selective of whom you release WHOLE animals to.