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Tanitsja
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| actualy some researchers found indication that no breed is more dangerous, and most biting breed tends to follow which breed is most trendy among family people, hence most biting dogs tend to be dogs like golden retrievers, dach etc |
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Chilly Girl
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| Yes, actually, that is true, most family dogs do tend to be more bitey, but on a different level. Such as it is usually only a nip, to put children in their place. But breeds such as the german shepherd who have been trained to bite, and hard, to it on a much higher level, that may require stitches. |
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Tanitsja
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Trinity
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Favorites:
American Pit bull terrier
Rottweiler
Cane Corso
Great Dane
Labrador Retriever
Saint bernard
German Shephard
Leasts:
Toy poodle
Standard poodle
Shitzu
lhapso apsa
Afgan hound |
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Chilly Girl
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Tanitsja, everything you said was true. And I completely agree with it. =]
And I just hate that Labradors, one of my fave breeds, is getting put down as a family dog, just because people DO NOT train them to NOT bite. =] |
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Tanitsja
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Cecelia
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Thanks for your input everybody.At this moment the winners are Golden Retriever and Smooth Collie but there's still plenty of time left.
Tanitsja: Amen!!
and Chilly I love labs too most I know are sweethearts but some are highly territorial.....probably because of their living enviroment and training (or lack of)
Anyways thanks everybody!  |
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Kholran
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| Tanitsja wrote: |
the only time no one is to blame is in cases of such things as illness causing it, like braintumor or the like changing the dog...but these are so rare...other then that there is always a human who are partialy or fully at fault at some point in time for the dog biting, because no dog is born mean..have you ever heard of a puppy coming out growling and snaping? no hence its the humans at fault, we set their enviroment and we raise them...we affect their enviroment and experiences..and that is what shapes their personality and harvest out their potential even...and yes we breed them
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I agree with most of what you're saying. I agree that in MOST situations, dogs are not innately aggressive. Most dog/human aggression is fear-based or food-based. But not always. There is such a thing as Dominance Aggression, which occurs when you have a very strong-willed dog that feels the need to control everyone and everything around it. This is the kind of dog that will not take correction, will lunge up at you if you stare it down, and will often guard places or items that belong to it. Dominance Aggressive dogs will sometimes block doorways or stairs, or growl/snap if you disturb its sleep. This is THE MOST dangerous kind of aggression because it's completely unpredictable. You do one small thing a Dominance Aggressive dog doesn't like, and it will bite. Really good article here if you want more info on Dominance Aggression.
That said, I have seen aggressive puppies firsthand. I worked at a shelter for a year and a half, and saw all kinds. Abuse, neglect, dangerous dogs, wonderful dogs, etc. There was a Rottweiler mix named Jade that came through with a litter of pups. All but one of the litter went on to new homes. The one that didn't showed SEVERE aggression over food as early as 8 weeks of age. During her behavior assessment, she repeatedly displayed signs of aggression, and was euthanized after all attempts at foster rehabilitation failed. In a separate situation, Humane officers seized two purebred Rotties, one male, one female, and a litter of pure Rott puppies. At about six weeks of age, one of them bit the behavior coordinator in the face when she picked the pup up. Six weeks, and showing that kind of aggression. So yes, some puppies ARE born with aggressive tendencies. Doesn't happen often, but it happens. |
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Tanitsja
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Kholran
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| Quote: | | Canine dominance aggression typically develops at social maturity, which usually occurs between 18 and 36 months of age. Although most dominantly aggressive dogs are male, this condition can occur in females, often at a young age (8 weeks to 8 months). Dominance aggression is not controlled by hormones, but the presence of androgens, including testosterone, or the lack of estrogen during sexual and social development may exacerbate the aggression. The fact that dominance aggression usually occurs at social maturity suggests that owners don't cause this problem. |
To use your car analogy, sometimes you just get a lemon. You can be the best driver in the world and if the car is faulty, and an accident happens, that's no fault of yours.
Of the litters I spoke of, the pups were raised in the same house with equal methods. Five turn out wonderfully, one is aggressive from the start. That has nothing to do with raising or environment. Dominance Aggression happens sometimes. I've seen it. Dogs raised in perfect households, never mistreated, never abused, and yet they repeatedly snap at or bite the owners. I'm glad the dogs you raise are so well adjusted, that's great. But there are dogs out there that ARE born aggressive, or are genetically predisposed to aggression.
| Kathy Davis, Author/Trainer wrote: |
A puppy’s chances of developing aggressive behavior depend both on genetics and on how people handle their puppies. Much of dog behavior is genetically based and will not be overcome by training. Training has great power to change a dog, though. Every experience teaches a pup what to expect from people and from the world, and how to get needs met. The most teachable months in a puppy’s life pass quickly. How can we make the best use of this short time? |
| Dr. J Michelle Posage and Dr. Amy Marder wrote: |
# Aggression is influenced by several factors, including: genetic predisposition, early experience, maturation, sex, age, size, hormonal status, physiological state and external stimuli. Behaviorists use a classification system based on patterns of behavior and the circumstances in which they occur. This is done to determine the dog's motivation and the cause of the behavior. The classification is as follows:
# Dominance-related aggression is one of the most common types of canine aggression that behaviorists treat. The aggressive acts are directed toward one or several family members or other household pets. Dogs are pack animals, and they relate to humans as members of their own species and pack members.
# Territorial aggression is directed toward approaching animals or people outside of the pack in defense of a dog's area (home, room or yard), owner or fellow pack member.
# Inter-male aggression between adult males usually involves territorial or dominance disputes. Inter-female aggression occurs most frequently between adult females living in the same household.
# Predatory aggression is directed toward anything that the dog considers prey, usually other species, but sometimes any quick-moving stimulus, like a car or bike.
# Pain-induced aggression is caused by a person or animal that causes pain. It often occurs when a person attempts to touch a painful area or when injections are given.
# Fear-induced aggression occurs when people or animals approach a fearful dog. This is common when the dog cannot escape, and is sometimes seen when an owner uses severe punishment. Active, unpredictable children may also stimulate this type of aggression.
# Maternal aggression is directed toward anyone that approaches a bitch with puppies or in false pregnancy.
# Redirected aggression occurs when a dog that is aggressively motivated redirects the aggression from the source to another. For example, a dog that is barking at the door may redirect his aggression onto an owner that is pulling him back. Dominant dogs often redirect onto subordinates.
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Just a few sources citing genetic predisposition to aggression. You can do you research...there are plenty more out there. |
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Tanitsja
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Cecelia
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Wow this debate has some wonderful arguments on boty sides.
Tanitsja I agree with you in most cases though I agree with Khol in rare cases.Most dogs can be fixed few can not.So both sides of the argument are wonderful.
Speaking of wonderful I recently just took back an awesome book by Sue Sternberg.i think... It was called Shelter Dog Adoption or something like that.If you could read that book Tanitsja it would probably help you understand what Khol is trying to say better.What breeds of dogs did your parents raise anyways? |
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Tanitsja
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Cecelia
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I totally agree about giving them a chance to grow up first.But we do have to not let our emotions ge in the way.Which I am the worst person in the world to ask about that.....the very emotional person I am....
btw I didn't put down my favorite dog breeds.My votes won't count but I'll pu tit down anyways.
Favorite:
1: Australian Shepherd
2. Toy Poodle
3. Shetland Sheepdog
4. Great Pyrenees
5. Labrador Retriever
Least Favorite
1. Boxer
2. Mini Dachsund
3. Pekingese
4. Chihuahua
5. Shih Tzu |
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